Actually in some cultures of latina america there was the belief that you "paid" for your sins in tears. So, if you had commited a lot of sins and haven't weeped enough you didn't have the right to go to heaven or even (if your amount of sins deserved it) to move on from this earth, and so your spirit would wonder about untill someone took pity on it and cryed for you.ojyram said:How much there is to know! Such interesting customs as give people comfort. I would never have imagined such a custom as hiring wailers, keeners, or carpideiras. I imagine this is about honor and respect... that having so many weepers shows the world that the world has lost a beloved and valuable person. Is there an element of status involved? Here in the USA, seeing many flowers at a funeral is a sign of the same thing, so we have the custom of sending large and expensive flower arrangements to the funeral home.
Good question, Amityville. The comments on flowers, etc, are here and now - here being Northern Ireland.Amityville said:What time and place are you describing, Panjandrum ?
Citrus said:Actually in some Latin American cultures there was the belief that you "paid" for your sins with tears. So, if you had commited a lot of sins and hadn't wept enough you didn't have the right to go to heaven or even (if the amount of sins you had committed warranted it) to move on from this earth. In that case your spirit would wander about until someone took pity on it and cried for you.
People began to hire "mourners" to "buy" their way into heaven or the way of the dead. . . . . and this is how this costum came into being (or so I've heard )
P.D. I'm sure I've commited some mistakes . . . please correct them. THANKS!
I really don't mean to be irreverent, but do you mean in the style of a cheerleader ? We need to mourn, wail and keen and having someone lead the way it is easier, we just join in. I can understand that, I think. No man is an island, after all and what never fails to produce tears in me at a funeral is the phrase they use "we are here to give thanks for the life of..."panjandrum said:The keener was not at all a prostitution of tears, but an integral part of the funeral - rather, I was suggesting, as a good midwife was an integral, and welcome, part of the birth.
Yes, you are still a jerk, but you can do less damage, and can be charitably remembered for your other qualities. that's the modern view, but there are times and cultures and religions where these things become mere accountancy.te gato said:I wonder..If you are a jerk in 'Life'..are you still a jerk in 'Death'?
Therefore..no amount of keening and wailing is going to grant you absolution..
Clearly there is a Celt in there somewherete gato said:we celebrate the 'deceased' and the life that they had..and how much we loved them..with food..drink..and song...