Pronunciation: 茜

[yuechu]

大家好！

I was recently watching a TV show where someone's name (or nickname?) was 茜茜. The dictionary I use says that the character 茜 should be pronounced xī in people's names, but on the TV show, they pronounced the character qiàn instead. Are both of these pronunciations for this character commonly used (and known)? (Is xī an old pronunciation and nowadays, do people only say qiàn?)
Thanks!

 

[johnshen64]

Well, in general, whenever a character has multiple pronunciations, it is the person (or rather the parents) who decides how you read it.

The principle is called:

名從主人

Often we have to ask the person, "so how do you read your name"?

樂 is another example.

In dialects, things are even more complicated because often, there is a mandarin-like pronunciation and a native pronunciation. Cantonese, Taiwanese, etc. all have this issue. This is somewhat similar to 音讀 and 訓讀 in Japanese.

 

[yuechu]

Oh, I see. Thanks, John!

That's a good phrase (and concept) to know! (名从主人)

 

[SimonTsai]

Personally I would assume 'qian4'; actually, I've never heard 'xi1'. I would read '陳文茜 (qian4)'.

 

[yuechu]

Oh, I think I was reading the definitions too quickly... it says that the reading xī is "used in the transliteration of people's names". (foreign names, I am assuming) Has anyone seen it used in transliterating foreign names before?

 

[SimonTsai]

No, I has never. I think that we'd normally use 西 or 希 for Euro-Americans, 希 or 熙, or 喜, for Japanese and Koreans, 西 or 悉 for Indians.

 

[yuechu]

OK, great! I don't need to remember this pronunciation for this character then. Thanks, Simon! 😀

 

[hx1997]

Has anyone seen it used in transliterating foreign names before?

I have, as in 茜茜公主.

 

[SimonTsai]

I looked up the character 茜 in the official dictionary here, and 'xi1' was not found. Perhaps the reading 'xi1' is unique in the mainland and not Taiwan here.

 

[yuechu]

I have, as in 茜茜公主.

Oh, ok! Thanks, hx1997!

 

[Xiaoqingyu]

Hello! 茜 has two pronunciations. When it is pronounced as "qian", it refers to a kind of herb, or the deep red color. While when it is pronounced as "xi", it is mainly used to translate the foriegn girl's names, and with no practical meaning. When there is a 茜 in a Chinese name，we usually pronounce it as "xi", for it sounds more lovely than the pronunciation "qian". But if people want to be called "qian", it is okay.

 

[yuechu]

That's interesting. Thanks, Xiaoqingyu!

 

[j29682896]

Oh, I think I was reading the definitions too quickly... it says that the reading xī is "used in the transliteration of people's names". (foreign names, I am assuming) Has anyone seen it used in transliterating foreign names before?

Foreign name: Nancy
transliteration of Nancy : 南茜(Xi1)

This is the only example I can come up with for now, but I believe there are more names like this. However, examples like this are rare and it's not worth paying attention to. Just memorize it when you see one.
Indeed, If you ask native Chinese speakers how to pronounce 茜, I would say ALL of them would tell you "qian4".
If you see 茜 in a Chinese name, it's always(I think) pronounced as "qian4".

 

[yuechu]

Thanks for the additional example, j29682896!

 

[dojibear]

someone's name (or nickname?) was 茜茜. The dictionary I use says that the character 茜 should be pronounced xī in people's names, but on the TV show, they pronounced the character qiàn instead.

Did they call the person "qian qian" or just "qian"?

transliteration of Nancy : 南茜(Xi1)

This is the only example I can come up with for now, but I believe there are more names like this.

Different languages have different sounds. English has the "see" syllable, but Mandarin does not, so Mandarin uses the "shee" syllable (xi) instead when transliterating English names.

Many English names (female names or nicknames) end in the"-ee" sound but only a few of them end in the "-see" sound.
Here are 5 of them (all female): Nancy, Betsy, Chrissy, Kacey, Lucy (as in American actress Lucy Liu, 刘玉玲).

 

[lekal]

茜，读xi，有
茜茜公主 （Empress Elisabeth of Austria（1837-1898））

 

[yuechu]

Did they call the person "qian qian" or just "qian"?

Hi, Dojibear!
They called her qiàn qiàn.
(or perhaps it was qiàn qian with 轻声? I think the 轻声 pronunciation is more common in 大陆, right?)

 

[27rabbit]

Yes, the pronunciation is up to the owner of this name. But as to 姓, we usually have a strict rule for these 多音字. Normally we just use exact one prononciation of all, and that prononciation is usually uncommon.

Like: 仇 as 姓 is qiu

 

[SuperXW]

This is the only example I can come up with for now, but I believe there are more names like this. However, examples like this are rare and it's not worth paying attention to. Just memorize it when you see one.
Indeed, If you ask native Chinese speakers how to pronounce 茜, I would say ALL of them would tell you "qian4".
If you see 茜 in a Chinese name, it's always(I think) pronounced as "qian4".

I'm ALWAYS confused when i see 茜 in names, as a native Chinese speaker...
But maybe you are right on this one: today, pronouncing qian4 in Chinese names could be overwhelmingly preferable than xi1.

 

[SuperXW]

Many English names (female names or nicknames) end in the"-ee" sound but only a few of them end in the "-see" sound.
Here are 5 of them (all female): Nancy, Betsy, Chrissy, Kacey, Lucy (as in American actress Lucy Liu, 刘玉玲).

Can be 楠茜，贝茜，克里茜，凯茜，露茜, among all the transliterations.
I don't think they are too few.

 

[SimonTsai]

The transliterations 露茜, 貝茜, 凱茜, etc. are all new to me. I am more familiar (and comfortable) with 露西, 貝西, and 凱西, respectively.

That being said, the use of 茜 is unsurprising and understandable: People expect girls to be soft in manners and hearts, and the radical 艸 (meaning herbs) fits that perfectly.