Native speakers usually (for all but very literary or technical words) hear the pronunciation first and then, laboriously, learn how to write it after. Many or most never learn how to spell all the words they know properly. I expect English does not differ from Chinese in this respect.please tell me how you learnt it
Oops! You got me. My original question was about "Saturday" which I tried to figure out "a" in Saturday is a long a sound or short one. Of course it's short.Native speakers usually (for all but very literary or technical words) hear the pronunciation first and then, laboriously, learn how to write it after. Many or most never learn how to spell all the words they know properly. I expect English does not differ from Chinese in this respect.
What do “robin” and “robot” have to do with “Saturday”?
Why do you want to do this? Are you trying to pronounce the word with the clear syllable division of the Chinese language? In English “roe-bot” and “robe-ott” are pronounced identically.syllable the word
I thought the first stressed vowel is closed as Sat-ur-day. However I am wrong. Not in "ro-bot" I agree what entangledbank said. Listen first then go on the details. Thanks a lotWhy do you want to do this? Are you trying to pronounce the word with the clear syllable division of the Chinese language?
appreciate itI'm not sure that the concept of open and closed syllables is very useful when it comes to helping learners pronounce words correctly. Learners, especially Chinese speakers, seem determined to divide words into separate syllables, as if they were speaking Chinese. This is arguably the worst thing to do if you want to achieve natural speech patterns.
What is useful, however, is to make sure that you know where the stress lies in any given word. In the case of "Saturday", the stress is on the first syllable: SAT. We say SAT-ur-day with a short, weak sound in second syllable; we don't say sa-TUR-day. So, yes, the first syllable is closed, if you really want to think of it in those terms.
thanks a lotThe stress pattern will tell you. If you really are determined to pursue this open/closed syllable idea, a good rule of thumb is to assume that a stressed syllable is likely to be closed.
For example, here's a word you probably don't know: "crysanthemum" - a type of flower.
You want to know how to say this four-syllable word, so you look it up in dictionary and find out that the stress is on the second syllable. You click on the audio and you hear cri-SANTH-i-mum. The stressed syllable SANTH takes the emphasis away from the syllables on either side of it and also takes the consonants with it, leaving them as cri and i.
helpful answer.thanksI find the notion of the open and closed syllables useful at the ends of words. So you will not find an English word ending with short vowels /æ/, /ɛ/, /ʌ/ or /ɒ/, and for many speakers /ɪ/. It's got to be a long vowel (or a diphthong) or a schwa.
Maybe for that reason you might want to think of it as Sat-ur-day than Sa-tur-day. It's a short vowel.
Here's another example, with a word that you do know. Take the word 'present', which can be a noun, an adjective or a verb.a good rule of thumb is to assume that a stressed syllable is likely to be closed.
"Saturday" and "savant" both have the same vowel sound, but "Saturday" has a closed first syllable, whereas the first syllable in "savant" is open, at least in my own pronunciation.
Interesting, Uncle Jack, because savant in the US has stress on the second syllable and a Frenchified pronunciation, so it follows Wordy's pattern.However, as a verb, the stress is on the second syllable: we say pri-SENT. Here, the longer, stronger second syllable takes the consonant away from the preceding syllable.