Pronunciation: the surname "Vallvé"

[LoveVanPersie]

How is the surname Vallvé as in Pau Vallvé pronounced in Central Catalan? DCVB says it's a variant of Bellver with incorrect spelling and transcibed Bellver as [beʎβέ]. However, Wiktionary transcribes Bellver and Vallvé as /bəʎˈβe/, with the first vowel reduced and the second pronounced as close vowel /e/ rather than open one...

There is a YouTube video where he pronounced his name: Pau Vallvé es posa el nas de Pallapupas per Musics amb nassos (at 0:05), but my ability to identify pronunciations of non-native languages is too bad...

Thank you for your help in advance!

 

[Dymn]

/bəʎˈβe/

That's how I would pronounce it. Regardless of its origin, it's "impossible" for me to pronounce /e/ if I read a or /ɛ/ if I read é.

If anything, I would expect some people to pronounce it /ˌbaʎˈβ̞e/ if they consider vall ("valley") to be an standalone word and therefore pronounced unreduced (just like the o of contratemps is never /u/).

Let's see what other people say.

 

[LoveVanPersie]

You're here to help me again Dymn! Thanks a lot!
Can you identify how Pau himself pronounced it in the YouTube video Pau Vallvé es posa el nas de Pallapupas per Musics amb nassos (at 0:05)?

 

[LoveVanPersie]

How do you pronounce Bellver? Is it possible for you to pronounce a word-ending -er as /ɛ/?

 

[LoveVanPersie]

What about a similarly spelt surname and place name Bellvei and its variant Vallvey?

 

[Dymn]

Can you identify how Pau himself pronounced it in the YouTube video Pau Vallvé es posa el nas de Pallapupas per Musics amb nassos (at 0:05)?

/bəʎˈβ̞e/

How do you pronounce Bellver?

With /e/, but of course I (incorrectly) analyse it as an -er suffix which is always /e/. It's however a compound word: bell ver "good sight", being ver an archaic form or veure, it should be pronounced with /ɛ/.

What about a similarly spelt surname and place name Bellvei and its variant Vallvey?

I've never had to pronounce this so I have no idea.

 

[LoveVanPersie]

As for Bellver, would you also reduce the first e?

 

[Dymn]

Yes

 

[LoveVanPersie]

Moltes gràcies!

 

[LoveVanPersie]

As for Bellver, would you also reduce the first e?

Yes

ICGC agrees with you. Contrary to DCVB, it transcribes Bellver de Cerdanya as [bəʎˈβɛ ðə səɾˈdaɲə], with the first e in Bellver reduced. The same happens in its transcription of Bellvei, [bəʎˈβɛj].

 

[Penyafort]

I agree with Dymn. He says /bəʎˈβe/ in the video. Well, actually he says /βəʎˈβe/ because he says Pau before.

People don't know that Vallvé is a variant of Bellver -I myself have found it out right now- so speakers just pronounce things the way they are spelt, according to Catalan rules. If it was written with -è, then it'd be open. Speakers of Western Catalan won't reduce it and say /baʎˈβe/.

 

[Xiscomx]

We promounce our round Bellver Castle as [beʎvə́] from "bell veure [béʎ və́wɾə]".