Punjabi: ਡਿੱਠਾ/ڈٹھا

[panjabigator]

Greetings:

Have you ever heard <diṭhā> in Western Punjabi as a past tense for <dekhṇā>? I haven't heard it in Indian Punjabi, however you can find it in Sikh literature.

Cheers,
PG

 

[Koozagar]

The word that I know that is used is 'disda'
"disda nahin tenu?"
'dikh' is also used in 'our parts'. "dikhda nahin taynu? tayan nal chal"

 

[panjabigator]

Right, دسدا comes from دسنا.

Do you say دخدا?

 

[Koozagar]

yes it is quite common.

 

[Qureshpor]

Yes, I have heard "diThaa" for the Urdu "dekhaa". Interestingly, there are a group of Punjabi words which have a link with Persian! Well, we should not be surprised because of the Indo-European language connection.

puTh = pusht (back)
kuTh = kusht ( kukRii kuThii e.. [I have] killed a chicken)
muTh= musht = fistful
guTh= gosh (corner)

I think there are one or two more but I can not remember them for the moment.

 

[panjabigator]

Yes, I have heard "diThaa" for the Urdu "dekhaa". Interestingly, there are a group of Punjabi words which have a link with Persian! Well, we should not be surprised because of the Indo-European language connection.

puTh = pusht (back)
kuTh = kusht ( kukRii kuThii e.. [I have] killed a chicken)
muTh= musht = fistful
guTh= gosh (corner)

I think there are one or two more but I can not remember them for the moment.

Qureshpor, thank you for drawing a comparison between Persian and Punjabi here. Very interesting.

Where have you heard ڈٹھا? Is it mainly used by the older generations or is it quite common?

 

[Qureshpor]

Qureshpor, thank you for drawing a comparison between Persian and Punjabi here. Very interesting.

Where have you heard ڈٹھا? Is it mainly used by the older generations or is it quite common?

Very Briefly...

disNRaa= dikhaa'ii denaa (Hindi: dikhnaa)

dekhNRaa/vekhNRaa = dekhnaa

DiThaa (I think) is used as a past participle only not as a simple past tense (preterite) where dekhiyaa/vekhiyaa would be used.

My maternal side of the family use "DiTThaa", e.g.

maiN os bande nuuN tad DiTThaa aahaa* jad...

I had seen that person when..

* aahaa = sii= thaa

I think its use is already (almost) a thing of the past.

 

[panjabigator]

disNRaa= dikhaa'ii denaa (Hindi: dikhnaa)

dekhNRaa/vekhNRaa = dekhnaa

Right, we use the former in my house too.

Thanks for the info on "ditha," again. Very interesting.

 

[Qureshpor]

Right, we use the former in my house too.

Thanks for the info on "ditha," again. Very interesting.

پڑھی نماز تے نیاز نہ سِکھیا
تیریاں کِس کَم پڑھیاں نمازاں
علم پڑھیا تے عمل نہ کیتا
تیریاں کِس کَم کیتیاں وعظاں
نہ کَہر ڈِٹَھا نہ کَہر والا ڈِٹَھا
تیریاں کِس کَم دِتیاں نیازاں
بُلھے شاہ پتہ تَد لگ سی
جدوں چِڑی پَھسی ہتھ بازاں

paRhii namaaz te niyaaz nah sikhiyaa
teriyaaN kis kam paRhiyaaN namaazaaN
'ilm paRhiyaa te 'amal nah kiitaa
teriyaaN kis kam kiitiyaaN va'zaaN
nah k_har DiTThaa nah k_har vaalaa DiTThaa
teriyaaN kis kam dittiyaaN niyaazaaN
Bullhe Shah patah tad lagsii
jadoN chiRii phasii hath baazaaN

niyaaz = humility + offering, va'z =preaching, baaz = falcon
k_har =ghar= house...I think DiTThaa here implies "pahchaanaa"

Please note also the future tense "lagsii"

 

[Qureshpor]

Has anyone ever heard the word "diida" (not the Persian word for "eye" or the past participle of "diidan") connected with "seeing" in Punjabi? It is uttered with a tone.

 

[panjabigator]

Could you provide a sentence, Qureshpor?

Also, very grateful for the poem above. I'm always متوجہ towards the "sigmatic future" in Punjabi

 

[Koozagar]

Has anyone ever heard the word "diida" (not the Persian word for "eye" or the past participle of "diidan") connected with "seeing" in Punjabi? It is uttered with a tone.

yes.
Example: Woh usay deeday phaar phaar kai dekh raha tha

 

[panjabigator]

yes.
Example: Woh usay deeday phaar phaar kai dekh raha tha

Koozagar Bhai:

yeh jumlah panjābī me.n bhī musta'mal miltā hai? Aur "tone" kahā.n ho gā?

PG

 

[Qureshpor]

yes.
Example: Woh usay deeday phaar phaar kai dekh raha tha

No, this is just the plural of the noun"diidah" (eye). I have a verbal construction in mind.

 

[panjabigator]

No, this is just the plural of the noun"diidah" (eye). I have a verbal construction in mind.

جویں؟ زرا مثال وی دسو جی۔

 

[Qureshpor]

جویں؟ زرا مثال وی دسو جی۔

PG Jii. I have been hesitating to post an example incorporating this word because I have not been a witness to its usage. A good many yeas ago, a close friend of mine who happens to be a very learned gentleman*, related to me a court interpreting scenario. A man who hailed from Azad Kashmir had as his interpreter a Sikh gentleman. Needless to say, the two registers of the Punjabi language employed by the interpreter and his client were poles apart. During the questioning of the Kashmiri gentleman, the lawer asked him:

When you were stabbed with a knife, did you see the man who stabbed you?

This was interpreted as:

jis vele tainuuN kachchuu vajjiyaa sii os vele tuuN os bande nuuN diidaa sii?

Please note that "kachchuu = chakkuu=chaaquu. Also, I would like to add that I might not have got the actual sentence totally accurately as it has been a long time. The important part is the word "diidaa"

*He is learned in Punjabi, Urdu, Persian, Arabic and English. He has composed poetry in Urdu as well as translating selections from the Persian works of 'Allama Iqbal into "manzuum Urdu". He has translated Professor Ralph Russell's "In Pursuit of Urdu Literature" into Urdu. His name is Muhammad Sarwar Rijaa.

 

[panjabigator]

Please note that "kachchuu = chakkuu=chaaquu.

Common example of metathesis. I've seen it before in the words کیچھڑ and چھیکڑ.

I've never seen 'dīdā' before. Was the Sikh also from AK? I'll be in Punjab soon, so I'll research this.

 

[Qureshpor]

Common example of metathesis. I've seen it before in the words کیچھڑ and چھیکڑ.

I've never seen 'dīdā' before. Was the Sikh also from AK? I'll be in Punjab soon, so I'll research this.

You don't mean Urdu/Hindi "kiichaR" vs Punjabi "chikkaR", do you?

No, the gentleman was not from AK. If he were, there would not have been "lost in translation" issues!

 

[panjabigator]

Pardon the mispelling - the "ch" is not aspirated. Thank you.

 

[marrish]

Has anyone ever heard the word "diida" (not the Persian word for "eye" or the past participle of "diidan") connected with "seeing" in Punjabi? It is uttered with a tone.

This is used in the meaning of an eye in Haryanvi

 

[panjabigator]

I heard it the other day in the sentence "eh diide kihnu dikha rihain!"

 

[panjabigator]

I've heard it in in the sentence "oye tainuuN diihNdaa nahiiN." Rising tone. Is this what you meant?

 

[Qureshpor]

I've heard it in in the sentence "oye tainuuN diihNdaa nahiiN." Rising tone. Is this what you meant?

Yes! But, as far as I remember, without the nasalisation. So, your sentence would mean, "Oye, Can't you see?" or "Oye, are you blind or something?!"

 

[panjabigator]

Well, the speaker I heard it from nasalizes everything, including words like "tusiiN karoNge." and yes, that's how I'd translate it.