I never saw "dysphemisms" before!timpeac said:Dump tank!!!!! Hadn't heard that before.
OK. What you just told me is EXACTLY what I have been told. I totally agree with you. "Bathroom" is a ridiclous word. But I think we all use it here in the US, because it's such a habit…timpeac said:No, I didn't know that word before either, thanks Evavigil. Yes we do use "toilet" all the time in the UK. Indeed there's quite an anti-political correctness back-lash against using words like "bathroom". I must say I hate it when people say words like that.
I know it's not big or clever but I can't help informing people that there is no bath in there when they say that.
You do see "ladies" a lot however. Which is positively against the trade descriptions act judging from the women queuing outside the toilets at the night clubs round where I live...
mimmo2815 said:...cloak comes from cloaca = sewer. I do not suggest to store your coat there...
You have to pay to go to a toilet even in bars and clubs in Belgium. And my friend showed rather spectacularly in the corner of the bar room what happens if you have no money. Don't try dropping our names for a discount if you find yourself in Bruges...te gato said:Hi All;
Ok...I'm a little back-woods but not that back-woods!!!
Also here we have some very "posh" bathrooms..where you have to pay the attendant to go to the bathroom...mmmm
I have often wondered what would happen if you had no money???
I have highlighted offensive words in red.EVAVIGIL said:Hello, Temujin!
I have found this definition:
restroom [Show phonetics]
noun [C] MAINLY US
a room with toilets that is in a public place, for example in a restaurant
(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)
And this explanation:
The word toilet itself may be considered an impolite word in the United States, whilst elsewhere the word is used without any embarrassment. When referring to the room or the actual piece of equipment, the word toilet is often substituted with other euphemisms (and dysphemisms) such as:
dump tank (not so offensive as much as in poor taste)
facility or facilities
ladies’/ men’s room
ladies’/ men’s lounge
little boys'/girls' room
place of easement
and water closet (or WC)
This is from www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki
I hope it helps!
I think your friend made an excellent comment. Anyone who would charge someone to use a bathroom is, in mind, cruel!timpeac said:You have to pay to go to a toilet even in bars and clubs in Belgium. And my friend showed rather spectacularly in the corner of the bar room what happens if you have no money. Don't try dropping our names for a discount if you find yourself in Bruges...
gaer said:I think your friend made an excellent comment. Anyone who would charge someone to use a bathroom is, in mind, cruel!
timpeac said:I'm afraid my research on the etymology of this word only suggests it is connected with "cloak" and not "cloaca" and so is not a toilet. Certainly "cloakroom" normally means somewhere to store your coat in modern English.
1293, from O.N.Fr. cloque, from M.L. clocca "travelers' cape," lit. "a bell," so called from the garment's bell-like appearance (see bell). The verb is from 1509. Cloak and dagger (1806) translates Fr. de cape et d'épée. Cloakroom is from 1852.
You know, that is enough to convince me never to go there. I'm serious.mirandolina said:On the Belgian motorways they sit outside the toilet (restroom if you prefer) and the charge is written on a card, you have to pay to get in.
They can get quite nasty if you sneak in without paying.
Before the advent of the Euro the fee was written up in all the most common European currencies. It may still be written in pounds now as well as Euros, I can't remember, I try to go as little as possible when passing through Belgium!
gaer said:You know, that is enough to convince me never to go there. I'm serious.
Well, I don't have enough money to vacation in the same state in which I live, so it's a moot point.mirandolina said:Don't let me stop you going to Belgium, there are lots of things to see APART FROM the boring motorways and their despicable loos.....
In the restaurants in smaller towns they are often spotless and free. Tim was unlucky in Bruges!
I'n afraid this thread is degenerating......
A "toilet" is the name of the receptacle, not the name of the room. The room may have a "toilet" and a "sink" in it or it may have a "toilet", "sink" and "bathtub". I know of none with only the toilet in it and if there are, it should properly be called the "toiletroom" (bedroom, livingroom, diningroom, etc.). In many circles, it is considered impolite to refer to bodily functions, hence the avoidance of broadcasting what you are planning to do in that room. Accordingly, at home, it is usually referred to as the "bathroom" because there is a bathtub in it, in public establishments it is usually called the "washroom" as there are no bathtubs and in gyms, etc., it is called the "shower room" or "locker room".Three of the Engllish words that I hate the most are "washroom", "restroom" and "bathroom". Why are there so many people out there who can't manage to call a toilet what it is. A toilet is a toilet is a toilet. Toilet! Toilet! Toilet!
Why are any words "invented"? Depending on your point of view, many words are "stupid". As indicated by mgarizona, "restroom" is correct from a historical point of view and "polite society" has maintained it. Stupid maybe, but I'm sure we can all find lots of examples of those!I don't find anything impolite about saying "toilet" but if you don't want to use the word just say "Excuse me." Why invent a stupid word like "restroom"?
I find it odd that you have difficulty with the euphemistic toilet but yet you 'relieve' yourself in the toilet.Sure, if I want to go and relieve myself, I probably wouldn't want to broadcast the fact. I might try find some way around mentioning where I'm going but I'm not going to pretent that I'm going for a bath, a rest, a wash or even comfort. Normally I'd say "Excuse me.", "I'll be back." or something.
Start right there - you used the word "I". We are, thankfully, all different. Celebrate that fact by recognising our diversity by allowing that others are offended by things which we take as part of everyday speech.I don't find anything impolite about saying
So how does someone in a strange location go about enquiring how to get there? Does one go to the nearest employee and ask "Excuse me, where's the excuse me?"but if you don't want to use the word just say "Excuse me."
I would suggest that in BE, all of these would be referred to as the toilet (slang apart, of course).A very interesting discussion indeed. As a non-native I have found all this information very interesting and sometimes slightly weird as, for example, the usage of "restroom", "washroom" and "bathroom" more common in AE. However, I would like to summarize all the points of view expressed so far so as to know exactly particular names of "toilet" in different places. Below I have written the list of places where toilest definitely exist. Please, point out how it (toliet) is usually called there:
1) at schools, universities, colleges, offices (at work)
2) in public places (at railway stations, at hospitals, in supermarkets, in the street)
3) in cultural public places (at the cinemas, theatres)
4) in some means of transport (on the trains, on the planes, on the intercity buses)
5) At home
I agree with you especially after reading the previous posts in this thread. However, I am more interested in inscriptions on the doors of toilets. For example, as far as I know, in many public places one can see "WC". My question is concerned with these different names: "toilet", "WC", "lavatory" and so on.I would suggest that in BE, all of these would be referred to as the toilet (slang apart, of course).