Tal and tak, are they related words?

  • Joannes

    Senior Member
    Belgian Dutch
    I thought they were related. This is Vasmer, perhaps someone who knows Russian can translate.

    Word: так,

    Near etymology: укр. так, та́ко, др.-русск. тако, такъ (впервые в Прологе 1356 г.; см. Соболевский, Лекции 96), ст.-слав. тако οὕτως (Остром., Супр.), болг. та́ко, сербохорв. та̏ко, та̑к, словен. tаkо̣̑, tàk, чеш., слвц., польск. tak, в.-луж., н.-луж. tak.

    Further etymology: Праслав. *tako "так", от *takъ "такой", родственно местоим. tъ (см. тот); ср. лит. tóks м., tokià ж. "такой", вост.-лит. tókias, ж. tókia, далее сюда же лат. tālis "такой"; см. Траутман, ВSW 312; Младенов 628; Вальде -- Гофм. 2, 644.
    I'm sure the t- is the Indo-European demonstrative base in talis, but I thought it is in tak as well. (That's perhaps what it says above, by the way, but I wouldn't know; I don't know Slavic at all.)
     

    Whodunit

    Senior Member
    Deutschland ~ Deutsch/Sächsisch
    I thought they were related. This is Vasmer, perhaps someone who knows Russian can translate.
    I will translate it for you:

    Word: так, (tak)

    Near etymology: Ukrainian:так, та́ко (takh, tákho) Old-East Slavic тако, такъ (takho, tak) (first attested in "The Prologue" in 1356; cf. Sobolevskiy, Lesson 96), Old Church Slavic тако (tako) οὕτως (Greek: hoútôs) (Ostrom., Supr.?), Bulgarian та́ко (táko), Serbo-Croatian. та̏ко, та̑к (tako↓↓, tak∩), Slovenian tаkо̣̑, tàk, Czech., Slovak, Polish tak, Upper-Sorbian, Lower-Sorbian tak.

    Further etymology: Proto-Slavic *tako "так" (tak), from *takъ "такой" (tákoy), cognate of the pronoun tъ (cf. тот (tot)); compare Lithuanian tóks m., tokià f. "такой" (tákoy), East Lithuanian tókias, f. tókia, here belongs Latin tālis "так ой" (tákoy); cf. Trautman, ВSW 312; Mpadenov 628; Val'de -- Hofman 2, 644.

    I'm sure the t- is the Indo-European demonstrative base in talis, but I thought it is in tak as well. (That's perhaps what it says above, by the way, but I wouldn't know; I don't know Slavic at all.)
    I'd agree.
     

    demalaga

    Member
    España castellano
    Thanks!.This confirms my guess.Perhaps could be some word in Slavic languages related to qualis, since the pair talis/qualis, tel/quel, tal/cual seems very rooted
     
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