Ukrainian/Belarusian: verb agreement

[egz03]

I have a question about verb agreement when the subject is modified by a numeral. In Russian, agreement tends to be optional in such a situation, so you can say:

Пять человек пришли (five people arrived-PL)

or

Пять человек пришло (five people arrived-NEUTER.SG)
I was wondering if this was also true for other East Slavic languages, like Ukrainian or Belarussian. If anyone has insight on this, I would love to head it!

 

[Athaulf]

I have a question about verb agreement when the subject is modified by a numeral. In Russian, agreement tends to be optional in such a situation, so you can say:

Пять человек пришли (five people arrived-PL)

or

Пять человек пришло (five people arrived-NEUTER.SG)
I was wondering if this was also true for other East Slavic languages, like Ukrainian or Belarussian. If anyone has insight on this, I would love to head it!

You might find some interesting information in this old thread. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if it will address your question directly, and I personally know almost nothing about East Slavic languages other than Russian.

 

[egz03]

Thanks. Yeah, it wasn't exactly what I was looking for, but it was interesting to see that neuter agreement in Croatian, especially neuter plural for 2-4. Is it still neuter singular agreement in sentences like "5 men tried to work"? (I ask because this is apparently a context where you can't have this neuter agreement in Russian - Пять человек старались-PL работать but not Пять человек старалось-NEUT.SG работать.)

 

[cyanista]

I've accidentally stumbled upon this old thread and found the question very interesting!

In Russian the verb can be singular or plural depending on the structure of the sentence and on the intended meaning (speaking about an entity or about separate agents), see also § 184 here.

I am not completely sure about Belarusian, though. I have the feeling that a plural verb would mostly be preferable in similar sentences:

На суботнік прыйшлі 3,5 мільёны чалавек. Source

When searching I have seen a very curious case of usage: an article in a respected Belarusian newspaper Nasha Niva is titled

На хвіліну маўчання да польскай амбасады ў Мінску прыйшлі 40 чалавек. Source

Virtually the same article has been published by the Euroradio website with the following headline:

На хвіліну маўчання да польскай амбасады ў Мінску прыйшло 40 чалавек. Source

All in all, both variants are used by the media but the first one seems to be somewhat more widespread. What I don't know is whether the use of a singular verb has been legitimate in Belarusian all along or whether it is a Russian contamination (which wouldn't come as a complete surprise to me).


I would be very glad to hear what Ukrainian foreros think!

 

[jazyk]

What I don't know is whether the use of a singular verb has been legitimate in Belarusian all along or whether it is a Russian contamination (which wouldn't come as a complete surprise to me).

I think Russian is deviant in this respect. At least Polish, Czech and Slovak use a singular verb after 5.

 

[Orlin]

I think Russian is deviant in this respect. At least Polish, Czech and Slovak use a singular verb after 5.

Maybe, maybe not: Bulgarian always uses a plural verb in such cases while in standard BCS a singular verb goes with numbers 5+, but colloquially a plural one can be used - see this thread:
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1737900

 

[Selyd]

Ukrainian:
Прийшли п'ять чоловік (five people arrived-PL)
П'ять чоловік прийшли
Прийшли п'ятеро людей
Прийшли п'ятеро
or
Прийшло п'ять чоловіків (five people arrived-NEUTER.SG)
П'ять чоловіків пийшло
Прийшло п'ятеро людей
Прийшло п'ятеро
Прийшло п'ятеро П'ятеро прийшло

 

[cyanista]

Прийшли п'ять чоловік
...
Прийшло п'ять чоловіків

Is one of them more popular than the other?

 

[Selyd]

Привет, cyanista!
В украинском языке большое значение имеет звуковое построение фразы.
"Прийшли п'ять чоловік" имеет некую незаконченность и могло бы иметь продолжение "і чимдуж ...". "Прийшло п'ять чоловіків" имеет звуковую законченность. "Прийшло п'ятеро П'ятеро прийшло" я подчеркивал, чтобы
показать на чем ставится акцент, смысловое ударение. Некоторые такие
особенности могут изучаться, а некоторые приобретаются только в языковой среде. Поэтому украинский труден в изучении.
Может сказанное будет полезным. Удачи!

 

[cyanista]

Дякую, Selyd.

В украинском языке большое значение имеет звуковое построение фразы.

Дуже цікаво!