Urdu: مرامیز

[Rosina_V]

Hello!
I am back with a question about a word found in a poem, but in none of the dictionaries I have access to at the moment. I would be very happy of your help. It is the word "مرامیز", which, I assume is from the same root as "رمز"... Thank you in advance for your help! I can give here the whole passage (from a poem):

وہ دور اپنے تحیر کی خسند حالت میں
اور اپنے ابہام کی دست و دل باز سمتوں کے
پندارہ پرور مرامیز کی ہر علامت میں
ایک خواب کا خواب تھا​

Bahut shukriya

 

[MonsieurGonzalito]

I asked in an old Persian thread.
It seems to be an Arabic plural, and the meaning is probably what is indicated there:
Etymology of Persian مرموز/secretive

It would make sense in your poem, although it might mean something different in Urdu, I don't know.

 

[Rosina_V]

Thank you very much! I should have had a closer look at the old threads. This forum is really a mine! It means more something on the lines of "indecipherable, enigmatic" in Urdu, I think, but this makes perfect sense in the poem. Thanks again!

 

[Qureshpor]

Hello!
I am back with a question about a word found in a poem, but in none of the dictionaries I have access to at the moment. I would be very happy of your help. It is the word "مرامیز", which, I assume is from the same root as "رمز"... Thank you in advance for your help! I can give here the whole passage (from a poem):

وہ دور اپنے تحیر کی خسند حالت میں
اور اپنے ابہام کی دست و دل باز سمتوں کے
پندارہ پرور مرامیز کی ہر علامت میں
ایک خواب کا خواب تھا​

Bahut shukriya

Yes, as you have surmised, the root letters of this word are ر م ز which bears the meaning of "to make a sign, to wink, to point to , to symbolise, to represent etc.

The Arabic past participle from رَمَزَ would be "مَرمُوز" and its plural is مرامیز just like مکتوب's plural is مکاتیب۔

 

[Rosina_V]

Thank you very much! I am still struggling with Arabic plural forms, since I never studied Arabic. Your comment is a great help! Would you then read it here as a participle, or could it be substantivated as well?

 

[Qureshpor]

Thank you very much! I am still struggling with Arabic plural forms, since I never studied Arabic. Your comment is a great help! Would you then read it here as a participle, or could it be substantivated as well?

Participles can be nouns or adjectives. e.g قاتل a murderer; قاتل حسینہ a murderous (cruel) beauty

مکتوب (what is) written... letter
مکاتیب letters

 

[marrish]

Would you then read it here as a participle, or could it be substantivated as well?

It's clearly a plural noun here as used in the quoted verses.

 

[PersoLatin]

Please read this thread: Etymology of Persian مرموز/secretive

 

[Qureshpor]

Please read this thread: Etymology of Persian مرموز/secretive

Thank you. This was mentioned in post 2.