Urdu: double-zabar

tonyspeed

Senior Member
English & Creole - Jamaica
What is the normal pronunciation of this word: عمومًا

Platts says :

A عمومًا ʻumūmaṉ (acc. of ʻumūm), adv. Commonly, generally, vulgarly (=ʻalaʼl-ʻumūm).

How did the interaction of a double-zabar and an alif combine to create the sound an?
 
  • fdb

    Senior Member
    French (France)
    This is about elementary Arabic grammar. The double fatḥ represents the suffix –an. It can stand on ـة or on ى . Otherwise it requires an ا as its support.
     

    tonyspeed

    Senior Member
    English & Creole - Jamaica
    This is about elementary Arabic grammar. The double fatḥ represents the suffix –an. It can stand on ـة or on ى . Otherwise it requires an ا as its support.
    What is elementary for Arabic is not so elementary in Urdu.
     

    marrish

    Senior Member
    اُردو Urdu
    In Urdu it is different than in Arabic. It is written mostly above (or after) an "alif" ا, مجازاً like fdb SaaHib said, and in some words above ة ,اشارةً and on final form of "te marbuutah" ۃً as دفعۃً (that's how it is written in Urdu, unlike Arabic) and perhaps in a couple of words ending in ی.

    The sign is also called tanwiin (tanween) or "nunation" (from nuun - n). You can find much about it in previous threads.
    It is as much elementary in Urdu as being just part of the script (ً -an ٍ -in ُ -un) but if someone is learning Urdu, this should be explained. Whether to use the which forms of "te marbuutah" or alif is more arcane matter, also perhaps introduction to these words doesn't need explanation about Arabic grammar. These words are almost always are adverbs and that's all. It's important to remember that alif is just a supporting element and is not read, so it is 3umuum-an, not *3umuumaan. The antonym is خُصُوصاً xusuus-an.
     

    tarkshya

    Senior Member
    Marwari
    Tanwin sign is actually very common in Urdu. However, I have only seen it on top of alif, like فوراً, اتفاقاً , etc.

    Therefore I am kind of surprised to see it on top of words with ta-marbuta. Can anyone tell us how the words اشارةً and دفعۃً pronounced?
     

    marrish

    Senior Member
    اُردو Urdu
    The sign is also called tanwiin (tanween) or "nunation" (from nuun - n). You can find much about it in previous threads.
    It is as much elementary in Urdu as being just part of the script (ً -an ٍ -in ُ -un) but if someone is learning Urdu, this should be explained.
    Urdu: Diacritic marks
    This thread has been used for discussion and questions about all possible Urdu diacritic marks.
     
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