Urdu/Hindi: order of adverbs

[tolxeta]

For the normative unemphatic word order, I find Schmidt in ‘Urdu: An essential grammar’ p67 and p189 places adverbs in the following order:
Adverb of time, then adverb of place, then adverb of manner
and gives as an example:

āp kal yahāṁ zarūr āiyē
Please come here tomorrow without fail

whereas I find Naim in ‘Introductory Urdu vol 1’ p153, p155 and p168 places them in the following order:
Adverb of time, then adverb of manner, then adverb of place
and gives as an example:

ahmad saliim-koo kal laahaur-meeN xaamoosii-see tiin kitaabeeN deegaa”

"Ahmad will give Salim three books tomorrow, in Lahore, silently"
So which is correct? And to what extent does it matter practically which is correct? How flesxible is the relative order of adverbs, both when they occur consecutively and when they don't? As Naim continues:

That will be the normative order—but a most unlikely actual sentence. One is more likely to find these element arranged in several other different ways. For example:
/kal laahaur-meeN ahmad saliim-koo xaamoosii-see tiin kitaabeeN deegaa/

Would it sound unusual to instead say "laahaur-meeN kal ahmad saliim-koo xaamoosii-see tiin kitaabeeN deegaa"?

 

[MonsieurGonzalito]

Your example:
ahmad saliim-koo kal laahaur-meeN xaamoosii-see tiin kitaabeeN deegaa
in addition to adverbial complements, has a direct object and an indirect object.

My understanding is that the typical order is "SUBJECT" + [whatever complement] + "VERB".
Within the [whatever complement] part, my understanding is that non-object complements tend to go closer to the verb, for example:

bacchaa duudh jaldii pitaa hai
bacchaa duudh nahiiN pitaa
bacchaa duudh jaldii nahiiN pitaa

Hence, Naim's example would be "atypical" in this regard. However, HU, being a moderately inflected language, allows for a great flexibility in word order (hyperbaton).
Responding to your specific question, I don't think there is a specific order prescription among adverbial complements of the same syntactical level, and I beelieve it would depend of what you want to emphasize. But I leave a definitive answer to the experts.

Incidentally, when both direct and indirect objects are present, the indirect object tends to be expressed first (unlike in English). In this regard, Naim's example follows the expected pattern.

 

[marrish]

I find Schmidt in ‘Urdu: An essential grammar’ p67 and p189 places adverbs in the following order:
Adverb of time, then adverb of place, then adverb of manner
and gives as an example:

"آپ کل یہاں ضرور آئیے" "āp kal yahāṁ zarūr āiyē"

whereas I find Naim in ‘Introductory Urdu vol 1’ p153, p155 and p168 places them in the following order:
Adverb of time, then adverb of manner, then adverb of place
and gives as an example:

"احمد سلیم کو کل لاہور میں خاموشی سے تین کتابیں دے گا۔" "ahmad saliim-koo kal laahaur-meeN xaamoosii-see tiin kitaabeeN deegaa”

[...]

Adverbs in both clauses follow exactly the same word order, Adverb of time, then adverb of place, then adverb of manner

 

[MonsieurGonzalito]

It seems Naim explains the subject of avberb order quite thoroughly (pages 168, 169).

-- Digital South Asia Library

 

[tolxeta]

"آپ کل یہاں ضرور آئیے" "āp kal yahāṁ zarūr āiyē"

"احمد سلیم کو کل لاہور میں خاموشی سے تین کتابیں دے گا۔" "ahmad saliim-koo kal laahaur-meeN xaamoosii-see tiin kitaabeeN deegaa”

[...]

Adverbs in both clauses follow exactly the same word order, Adverb of time, then adverb of place, then adverb of manner

You're right - I didn't even notice. I just assumed the example Naim gave would be in accordance with the rule he himself states, and didn't even look properly at the example itself. So it seems that part of Naim has a contradiction.
He gives another example p153 which is in accordance with his rule:

woo kal mooTar-see lakhnauu jaaeegaa
He will go to Lucknow tomorrow by car.

 

[littlepond]

You can say both "voh kal lakhnauu jaayegaa moTar se" or "voh kal moTar se lakhnauu jaayegaa." You can also change the word order of "voh" and "kal." In many situations, you can also put "jaayegaa" as the second or third word.