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joanvillafane

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waning moon

My question today is whether Italian speakers recognize "luna mancante" as an acceptable synonym for "luna calante."
In English, as far as I know, there's only way to refer to the waning moon.
Here's some context for those who may be able to resolve a doubt which is puzzling me:

I learned the saying "gobba ponente, luna crescente, gobba levante, luna mancante" as a young child, from my father who had probably learned it as child in Sicily (early in the 20th century). When I do a search online today, all I find is examples of "luna calante" which I am positively SURE is not what he taught me. So I'm wondering if "luna mancante" is archaic, regional, or just plain wrong.

Thanks for any information (and opinions) you can provide.
 
  • Starless74

    Senior Member
    Italiano
    I personally never heard "mancante" here in Rome+surroundings. I do know the saying, but with "calante":
    Gobba a ponente, luna crescente; gobba a levante, luna calante.
    All the web-search results for "mancante" I got today seem to come from (at least) the 19th/early 20th century, but don't take my word for it.
     
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    london calling

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    UK English
    I personally never heard "mancante" here in Rome+surroundings. I do know the saying, but with "calante":
    Gobba a ponente, luna crescente; gobba a levante, luna calante.
    All the web-search results for "mancante" I got today seem to come from (at least) the 19th/early 20th century, but don't take my word for it.
    Same here in Campania.
     

    Mary49

    Senior Member
    Italian
    I think that "luna mancante" (term that exists) is an old expression, perhaps regional:
    Metodo di computare i tempi. Opera utilissima a' laici, e necessaria a tutti gli ecclesiastici. Del r.p. maestro fr. Gio. Battista Pagani ... Divisa in due parti. Nella prima si contiene il metodo di computare i tempi giusta la forma dell'anno nuovo gregoriano. Nella seconda il metodo di computare giusta la forma dell'anno vecchio, che dicono giuliano: e di connettere col medesimo gli anni degli egizi, degli arabi, e degli ebrei

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    News sui Funghi in Valle Brembana.. eccoli!!! : Funghi in Valle Brembana - 106
    "Le fasi di luna piena o di luna mancante sono legati alla rivoluzione della luna intorno alla terra, rivoluzione che dura circa un mese (27 giorni circa) Durante questa rivoluzione noi vediamo alternativamente la faccia della luna illuminata dal sole (fase che culmina con la luna piena) e la luna non illuminata( fase che culmina con la luna mancante)".

    Dizionario dei dialetti italiani
    LUNA MANCANTE​
    Toscana​
    Orbetello​
     

    Aliph

    Senior Member
    Italian
    In northern Italy I heard « Gobba a ponente , luna crescente; gobba a levante, luna calante »
     
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