Cześć,
Jak się mówi "We'll go for a walk as soon as I get home." po polsku?
Dziękuję,
Drei
Jak się mówi "We'll go for a walk as soon as I get home." po polsku?
Dziękuję,
Drei
We'll go for a walk as soon as I get home
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Cześć,
Co to znaczy the following po angielsku?
Pójdziemy - is this the command form? how is this different from Idziemy?
przyjdę - I xxx
wrócę - I return
Dziękuję,
Drei
I think I'd say:
Pójdziemy na spacer jak wrócę (do domu). (seems most often used here)
Pójdziemy is a rather kind of a promise, or simply an activity you're going to do, I'd say, it can also be used as a command. Idziemy sounds (almost) like an order here.
przyjdę -- I'll come (in the context of your sentence, I come)
Tom
Hi Drei,
( my ) idziemy it is present = we are going ( for a walk)
( my ) pójdziemy it is future ( perfective aspect ) = we'll go (for a walk)
Note that after " as soon as " and others similar expressions in time clauses in English you use present tense ( I get home ) but in Polish you have to use future ( przyjdę do domu = I'll come home or wrócę do domu = I'll come back home )
Pozdrowienia.
( my ) idziemy it is present = we are going ( for a walk)
( my ) pójdziemy it is future ( perfective aspect ) = we'll go (for a walk)
Note that after " as soon as " and others similar expressions in time clauses in English you use present tense ( I get home ) but in Polish you have to use future ( przyjdę do domu = I'll come home or wrócę do domu = I'll come back home )
Pozdrowienia.
Dziękuję Marga (probably needs a special ending here that I haven't learned yet
). Your explanation was quite helpful. So idziemy comes from iść and pójdziemy comes from pójść? iść = imperfective
pójść = perfective
Right?
Also, one can only use the imperfective with other verbs like "I have to go." = "Muszę iść."?
Drei
You can use each kind of infinitive: Muszę iść, muszę pójść also muszę chodzić ( repeated action )Dziękuję Margo
iść = imperfective
pójść = perfective
Right? right
Also, one can only use the imperfective with other verbs like "I have to go." = "Muszę iść."?
Drei
I agree, but you can also say "Muszę iść do domu." and it means the same.
Theoretically you use "muszę iść" at present, "muszę pójść" in the future and "muszę chodzić" for repeated action.However like in English we use present also for the near future. I think some examples will be helpful:
Muszę już iść.- I have to go now.
Muszę jutro iść do szkoły./ Muszę jutro pójść do szkoły. - I have to go to school tomorrow.
Muszę chodzić na basen, żeby nauczyć się pływać. - I must go to the swimming-pool in order to learn to swim.
Muszę chodzić w bucie ortopedycznym.- I have to wear an orthopedic shoe.
Musisz iść/pójść do kina na ten film, jest świetny! - You must see this film, it's great!
Dziękuję Piotr. So there are 4 categories of verbs:
1. imperfective - present
2. perfective - future/past (I've also seen this in the past)
3. name? - repeated action
4. name? - casual action - I remember seeing jadać for eating. Can you give some more examples of this category? I don't quite understand its application.
Danke im Voraus,
Drei
As far as aspects are concerned, there are two main categories:
1. imperfective
2. perfective
Imperfective verbs can be used in all three tenses.
Perfective verbs are only used in two tenses, past and future. Note however, that as far as the form is concerned, the future tense looks like a present. What follows is that there's no formal future for perfective verbs.
Maybe an example will help understand this.
Imperfective verb iść - to go:
1. person sing. present: idę - I go
1. person sing. future: będę iść - I will go
Perfective verb pójść - to go:
1. person sing. present: doesn't exist
1. person sing. future: pójdę - I will go (this looks like a present but it's not, będę pójść
is not possible)Iterative verbs are imperfective verbs that describe a non-single episode action. This can be a repeated, a casual or a habitual action. You can use them in all three tenses (past, present, future).
Iterative verbs don't have a perfective counterpart and unlike perfective/imperfective aspectual pairs are regarded as distinct in lexical meaning.
Iterative verbs are not very common in Polish (as opposed to Russian for example).
Some examples are:
chodzić - to attend, to wear
Część uczniów nie chodzi regularnie do szkoły.
Some students don't attend school regularly.
Zawsze chodćę w kapeluszu.
I always wear a hat.
chadzać - to go from time to time / use to go (in the sense of to make one's way)
Czasami chadzam do kina.
I go to the cinema sometimes.
The difference between chodzić / chadzać is not an aspectual one (both are iterative/habitual) but one in meaning.
jadać - to eat from time to time / use to eat
Na śniadanie jadam płatki kukurydziane.
I usually eat cornflakes for breakfast.
czytywać - to read from time to time / use to read
Rzadko czytuję powieści kryminalne.
I seldom read crime novels.
dawać - to give from time to time / use to give
Kiedyś zawsze dawałem matce kwiaty z okazji Dnia Matki.
In the past I always used to give flowers to my mother on Mother's Day.
Hello Drei and Piotr,
let me add some remarks on the problem.
Czasowniki wielokrotne ( interative verbs ) describe repeated action and in present tense are close in meaning to present simple tense in English.( We have discussed this topic in an old thread posted by Drei: about pisać)
Only few verbs in Polish have these forms and they are falling in disuse.You can rarely hear someone saying that way, we use rather imperfective present instead ( with adverbs of frequency ).So:
Pisuję często listy = Piszę często listy. -I often write letters.
Na śniadanie jadam płatki kukurydziane.= Na śniadanie jem zwykle płatki kukurydziane. - I usually eat corflakes for breakfast.
Drei, your confusion about chodzić i chadzać was because of untypical case.That looks like for instance: jeść / jadać but it is not the same.
I don't agree with Piotr at that point: I think nowadays there is no difference in meaning, both mean exactly the same, yet chadzać is old-fashioned whereas chodzić became interative form from iść.
Note: We have in Polish only 2 verbs that we can't use the same form to translate English present simple and present continuous tenses.
Usually it goes like this:
I learn Polish every day. - Uczę się polskiego codziennie.
I am learning now.- Uczę się teraz.
but:
I go to school every day.-Chodzę do szkoły codziennie.
I am going to school now.- Idę do szkoły teraz.
also:
I often go to Warsaw.-Często jeżdżę do Warszawy.
I am going to Warsaw now.- Jadę teraz do Warszawy.
iść/chodzić and jechać/jeżdzić aren't interchangeable.
Regards.
let me add some remarks on the problem.
Czasowniki wielokrotne ( interative verbs ) describe repeated action and in present tense are close in meaning to present simple tense in English.( We have discussed this topic in an old thread posted by Drei: about pisać)
Only few verbs in Polish have these forms and they are falling in disuse.You can rarely hear someone saying that way, we use rather imperfective present instead ( with adverbs of frequency ).So:
Pisuję często listy = Piszę często listy. -I often write letters.
Na śniadanie jadam płatki kukurydziane.= Na śniadanie jem zwykle płatki kukurydziane. - I usually eat corflakes for breakfast.
Drei, your confusion about chodzić i chadzać was because of untypical case.That looks like for instance: jeść / jadać but it is not the same.
I don't agree with Piotr at that point: I think nowadays there is no difference in meaning, both mean exactly the same, yet chadzać is old-fashioned whereas chodzić became interative form from iść.
Note: We have in Polish only 2 verbs that we can't use the same form to translate English present simple and present continuous tenses.
Usually it goes like this:
I learn Polish every day. - Uczę się polskiego codziennie.
I am learning now.- Uczę się teraz.
but:
I go to school every day.-Chodzę do szkoły codziennie.
I am going to school now.- Idę do szkoły teraz.
also:
I often go to Warsaw.-Często jeżdżę do Warszawy.
I am going to Warsaw now.- Jadę teraz do Warszawy.
iść/chodzić and jechać/jeżdzić aren't interchangeable.
Regards.
Objection! Piotr, dawać it is imperfective aspect ( daję, dawałem, będę dawać or będę dawał ) dać is its perfective partner ( dałem, dam )
I agree. This was a bad example. I guess there's no iterative of dawać/dać.
You can use it as a promise:
Będę zawsze dawał na tacę - I will always give some money in the church (I'm not sure how is it called, when they collect money in the church)
Regards
Michał