When פ changes from "f" to "p" and viceversa. Same for כ.
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Hi,
For פ, remember that when it is in the beginning of word, it has a P sound. Usually when it is in the midst of the word it has an F sound. There are a number of exceptions to the second rule, like כיפור (kipoor) for example.
In general, these are the letters that take an inflection/daghesh at the beginning of a word:
"בגד כפת"
אני מקוה שנתתי עזרה טובה
- מנחם
For פ, remember that when it is in the beginning of word, it has a P sound. Usually when it is in the midst of the word it has an F sound. There are a number of exceptions to the second rule, like כיפור (kipoor) for example.
In general, these are the letters that take an inflection/daghesh at the beginning of a word:
"בגד כפת"
אני מקוה שנתתי עזרה טובה
- מנחם
When the letters have a dagesh inside them:Avifrisz said:
פּ = p, פ = f
כּ = k, כ = kh
There are two kinds of dagesh (both marked by a dot inside the letter):
(1) Dagesh kal: This is the dagesh that appears in the letters בגד כפת in two cases:
(i) in the beginning of the word: בּית, גּדול, דּג, כּפית, פּעמון, תּנור
(ii) after shva nakh, i.e. when בגד כפת is the first letter in the syllable after a consonant:
מִכְתָּב (mikh-tav), מַשְׁבֵּר (mash-ber), מִסְכֵּן (mis-ken)
(2) Dagesh khazak: This is the dagesh that appears in all the letters of the Hebrew alphabet except for the letters אהחער, and its role is to double the consonant:
מַתָּנָה (mattana), מַסָּע (massa'), נִקּוּד (nikkud).
in bible hebrew these called Begadkepat letters others that change in bible isAvifrisz said:
Gimmel becomes Ghimmel GH like israeli resh
Dalet become Dhalth like the TH in word this(but not heavy TH in word Thin)
Taw becomes Thaw (like Th in word Thin)
over time people got lazy but no one lost knowladge,sadiagaaon wrote about how to espeak proper hebrew
Hi! In case you're looking for a way to remember which is an "f" and which is a "p," a teacher taught me this trick a really long time ago and I still use it...
When a פ has a dot, it has a "penny," thus it makes a "p" sound.
When a פ does not have a dot, it is "free" and makes an "f" sound.
I'm not a Hebrew expert or anything, but that's how I remember it.
- Hannah
When a פ has a dot, it has a "penny," thus it makes a "p" sound.
When a פ does not have a dot, it is "free" and makes an "f" sound.
I'm not a Hebrew expert or anything, but that's how I remember it.
- Hannah
A dagesh over a vocal schwa can only be a dagesh forte, and must therefore be pronounced as a geminated stop, thus, for example:
מִפְּנֵי /mippənê/ vs. לִפְנֵי /lifnê/
שִׁכְּרוּ /šikkərû/ vs. שָֽׁכְרוּ /šākᴴrû/
You described this rule incorrectly. It has nothing to do with the shva. Rather, a dagesh after a vowel is what indicates that it's a dagesh forte (with some exceptions).
Yes, it has just occurred to me that a dagesh lene can occur over a vocal schwa at the beginning of a word, hence:
עַל־פְּנֵי /ʿal-pənê/
מִפְּנֵי /mippənê/
לִפְנֵי /lifnê/
In the middle of a word, however, what I said stands: a dagesh over a vocal schwa can only be a dagesh forte.
No, that is still not true. It only applies after a vowel. That's the only criterion.
For example, שִׁכֵּר has a dagesh forte, and no shva, while יִשְׂכְּרוּ has a vocal shva but a dagesh lene.
No, you're right. I should have thought of יִשְׁכְּרוּ, with a dagesh lene over a vocal schwa.